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Boddington's on tap in London
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Thomas Hansen
2006-03-15 08:44:01 UTC
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Hi, does anyone have any tips for pubs in London where I can get
Boddington's on tap? A friend and I are going to London for a weekend
and would love to be pointed in the right direction, preferably
somewhere around King's Cross / Soho / Covent Garden.
martyn dawe
2006-03-15 09:13:07 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Hi, does anyone have any tips for pubs in London where I can get
Boddington's on tap? A friend and I are going to London for a weekend
and would love to be pointed in the right direction, preferably
somewhere around King's Cross / Soho / Covent Garden.
Why ? there must be much better beers in London , if you must drink
boddies go to Manchester
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Steve Pickthall
2006-03-15 11:04:10 UTC
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Post by martyn dawe
Why ? there must be much better beers in London , if you must drink
boddies go to Manchester
Perhaps he likes the taste of wet dogs.
JohnB
2006-03-16 13:46:58 UTC
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Post by martyn dawe
Post by Thomas Hansen
Hi, does anyone have any tips for pubs in London where I can get
Boddington's on tap? A friend and I are going to London for a weekend
and would love to be pointed in the right direction, preferably
somewhere around King's Cross / Soho / Covent Garden.
Why ? there must be much better beers in London , if you must drink
boddies go to Manchester
Why ?

It's not brewed up here any more - brewery shut down.

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PeterE
2006-03-16 18:14:06 UTC
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Post by JohnB
Post by martyn dawe
Why ? there must be much better beers in London , if you must drink
boddies go to Manchester
Why ?
It's not brewed up here any more - brewery shut down.
The cask version is still brewed in Manchester at Hydes, although I believe
the keg version comes from South Wales.
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JohnB
2006-03-17 00:38:12 UTC
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Post by PeterE
Post by JohnB
It's not brewed up here any more - brewery shut down.
The cask version is still brewed in Manchester at Hydes, although I believe
the keg version comes from South Wales.
Is that right Peter - didn't know that - I thought it had all gone to Wales.

Not that i'm inclined to be bothered anymore - sadly.

I recall first moving to Manchester in 1972 as a student when Boddies
was a truely lovely pint and a revelation.

The Old Garratt, and the one behind the Free Trade Hall were my
favourites then.

But what a decline over the next 20 years or so - really sad.

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Paul Sherwin
2006-03-15 11:28:51 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Hi, does anyone have any tips for pubs in London where I can get
Boddington's on tap? A friend and I are going to London for a weekend
and would love to be pointed in the right direction, preferably
somewhere around King's Cross / Soho / Covent Garden.
I'll try to be helpful here.

If you are referring to keg (pasteurised/pressurised) Boddingtons,
you'll find it widely available. If it's not available there will be
another nitrokeg bitter such as John Smiths Smooth.

If you mean cask Boddingtons, I don't know anywhere in the areas you
mention which sell it on a regular basis.

You should be aware that Boddingtons has a *very* poor reputation
among British cask beer drinkers, which explains the somewhat
dismissive responses you've received to your post. You should use your
visit as an opportunity to explore the many interesting and tasty cask
beers available in British pubs, almost all of which are a more
enjoyable drink than Boddingtons. Search previous threads for 'London
pubs' for lots of good suggestions.

BTW, 'on tap' is American usage, as is 'draft'. British English
speakers would refer to 'draught Boddingtons'.

Enjoy your visit, Paul
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Thomas Hansen
2006-03-15 11:49:19 UTC
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Post by Paul Sherwin
BTW, 'on tap' is American usage, as is 'draft'. British English
speakers would refer to 'draught Boddingtons'.
Thanks, I knew I'd get that wrong. :-)

Thanks also for your reply. I wasn't aware of Boddington's reputation.
Is taste the only reason for this, or is there some other reason?

I have to admit that I have mostly tried the canned version of
Boddington's, which seems to be available in stores throughout Europe.
I know of course that canned ale is nothing but a poor excuse for the
real, draught ones, which is why I think I'll take my chances on a pint
of Boddington's when I get to London.

I have tried numerous other English beers before, though, as will I the
next time I visit London. Thanks again.


Thomas
Paul Sherwin
2006-03-15 12:43:09 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Thanks also for your reply. I wasn't aware of Boddington's reputation.
Is taste the only reason for this, or is there some other reason?
The hostility to Boddingtons is partly down to taste, partly down to
the fact that it's usually available only as a pasteurised filtered
gas injected beer, and partly historical. 30 years ago Boddingtons was
one of the finest session bitters available in Britain, but the beer
has declined greatly over the years, particularly when the brewery was
owned by Whitbread.

If you like it, drink it - it's your choice :-) You should certainly
try the cask conditioned version if you find it (served through a hand
pump) as this is much better than the nitrokeg version (and the cans -
{shudder})

Best regards, Paul
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dgs
2006-03-19 22:19:48 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Post by Paul Sherwin
BTW, 'on tap' is American usage, as is 'draft'. British English
speakers would refer to 'draught Boddingtons'.
Thanks, I knew I'd get that wrong. :-)
Thanks also for your reply. I wasn't aware of Boddington's reputation.
Is taste the only reason for this, or is there some other reason?
There are many other reasons. It's dumbed-down flavorless gnat's pee,
a shadow of what it was, and in their haste to put profit above all,
InBev shut down the Manchester brewery that was the home of Boddington's
for so many years. Nice for the stockholders, and who cares about the
beer drinker?
Post by Thomas Hansen
I have to admit that I have mostly tried the canned version of
Boddington's, which seems to be available in stores throughout Europe.
I know of course that canned ale is nothing but a poor excuse for the
real, draught ones, which is why I think I'll take my chances on a pint
of Boddington's when I get to London.
You don't seem to understand, then. There is more than one style of
beer served from a tap in the UK. The Boddington's you'll find on
draught in London is pressurized, filtered, bland gnat's pee, served
on so-called "nitrokeg" dispense, a method that might work for the likes
of Guinness, but not for everything. Boddington's served in this manner
is not one of "the real, draught ones." To get that, you're looking for
*cask-conditioned* Boddington's, and you're going to waste a lot of time
looking for that in London, to the detriment of your beer-drinking time
there.

You could, instead, take a walk from Kings Cross station into Bloomsbury
(to the south) and stop in at the Lamb in Lamb's Conduit Street for a
reasonably decent pint of Young's Bitter, a cask-conditioned real ale
served from the handpump. You could, instead, take the tube out to
Hyde Park Corner or Knightsbridge and walk from there to the Star Tavern
in Belgrave Mews West for a good pint of Fuller's, silently cursing them
for shutting down Gale's while you're at it. You could, instead, head
to Charing Cross and find the Ship and Shovell in Craven Passage, and
enjoy a Badger Tanglefoot there.
Post by Thomas Hansen
I have tried numerous other English beers before, though, as will I the
next time I visit London. Thanks again.
If it's variety you're looking for, head west from King Cross to Euston
Station and the very nearby Head of Steam pub. Or take the tube out
to Parsons Green and join the bright young upwardly mobile things at
the White Horse, aka "the Sloany Pony," with a good variety of cask
ales on.

And FFS, let this year's CAMRA Good Beer Guide help you out. Even if
used only in London, it'll be well worth the investment.
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dgs
Thomas Hansen
2006-03-19 23:14:12 UTC
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Post by dgs
You could, instead, take a walk from Kings Cross station into Bloomsbury
(to the south) and stop in at the Lamb in Lamb's Conduit Street for a
reasonably decent pint of Young's Bitter, a cask-conditioned real ale
served from the handpump.
Thanks for your advice. I've heard of Young's but never tried it, so
I'll see if i can find it when I do get to London.
dgs
2006-03-20 01:16:31 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Post by dgs
You could, instead, take a walk from Kings Cross station into Bloomsbury
(to the south) and stop in at the Lamb in Lamb's Conduit Street for a
reasonably decent pint of Young's Bitter, a cask-conditioned real ale
served from the handpump.
Thanks for your advice. I've heard of Young's but never tried it, so
I'll see if i can find it when I do get to London.
Heh. "if."

It's quite easy to find Young's in London.

http://www.youngs.co.uk/
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dgs
Steve Pickthall
2006-03-20 09:56:33 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
Thanks for your advice. I've heard of Young's but never tried it, so
I'll see if i can find it when I do get to London.
If you're in London please, please, please don't make Youngs the only beer
you try. Youngs "Ordinary" is not even that - it's dreadfully dull from a
dreadfully complacent brewer. Their Pilsener is good however.

My advice FWIW is go to Soho and try the Pillars of Hercules on Greek Street
for an ever changing selection of real ales then round the corner to the Dog
& Duck on Bateman Street for a great pint of Timothy Taylor's landlord.

I'm worried you'll never come back if you drink Youngs!
The Submarine Captain
2006-03-20 19:56:06 UTC
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[Youngs]
Their Pilsener is good however.
Good as in "good for a british approximation of a pilsner" or "good
enough to stand up to a proper german or czech pilsener" ?
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Steve Pickthall
2006-03-20 22:33:47 UTC
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Post by The Submarine Captain
Good as in "good for a british approximation of a pilsner" or "good
enough to stand up to a proper german or czech pilsener" ?
Yes, good as a British approximation of a pilsner, though I don't see why
that wouldn't make it qualify as "good enough to stand up to a proper german
or czech pilsener".
The Submarine Captain
2006-03-20 22:39:25 UTC
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Post by The Submarine Captain
Good as in "good for a british approximation of a pilsner" or "good
enough to stand up to a proper german or czech pilsener" ?
Yes, good as a British approximation of a pilsner, though I don't see why
that wouldn't make it qualify as "good enough to stand up to a proper german
or czech pilsener".
Because carbonation is never quite right in british approximations,
simply. Too gassy.
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Dave Croft
2006-03-21 00:02:38 UTC
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Good as in "good for a british approximation of a pilsner" or "good enough to stand up to a proper german or czech pilsener" ?
Yes, good as a British approximation of a pilsner, though I don't see why that wouldn't make it qualify as "good enough to stand
up to a proper german or czech pilsener".
Because carbonation is never quite right in british approximations, simply. Too gassy.
Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland
Hi Laurant, how would you rate Schiehallion as a lager?
We like to drink it and it has no carburation at all.
You probably have a better experience of continental lagers for comparison.
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The Submarine Captain
2006-03-21 18:54:40 UTC
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Post by Dave Croft
Hi Laurant, how would you rate Schiehallion as a lager?
Problem is it's cask-conditioned, which makes it too fruity (ie. esters
are produced during cask-conditioning at cellar temperature, giving it a
fruity edge) to be close to proper continental stuff. To many respects,
Schiehallion is similar to a Kölsch in reverse : Kölsch are ales that
are lagered (first top, then bottom-fermentation) whilst Schiehallion is
a lager matured as a real ale (first bottom, then top-fermentation).
Schiehallion from the cask ends up quite similar to the fruitier
Kölsches such as Sion, when they're served on gravity.
Post by Dave Croft
We like to drink it and it has no carburation at all.
You probably have a better experience of continental lagers for comparison.
The point about proper german or czech lagers is that their carbonation
is very fine, not too aggressive.
During lagering (ie. long cold maturation, 60+ days, at 2°C or so), the
beer produces its own gas at a very slow rate. At one point, a small
valve is fitted to the conditioning tank. This valve allows for an
internal pressure just above atmospheric pressure, which means CO2
dissolves very slowly into the beer, giving it a natural, fine, rather
unaggressive condition. This phase is called "Spundung", and AFAIK no
UK-brewed "lager" goes through that phase.
Most UK "Lagers" are pasteurised, then carbonated by a quick CO2
injection, which yields big, aggressive bubbles. And serving them under
CO2 blanket pressure does not help...

When you're drinking local beer in Germany, it usually is filtered but
unpasteurised. And the gas used in the pressure fount is aligal, the
same nitrogen / CO2 mixture used for nirtokeg in the UK, but without the
frothy effect.
It all yields a beer that is not too gassy, has a very fine head, and is
remarkably crisp in taste, and brings a lot of passing Brits to wonder
why they can't stand UK "lager" but love the stuff in Germany...

Proscht !

Laurent
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Thomas Hansen
2006-03-21 00:22:06 UTC
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Post by Steve Pickthall
I'm worried you'll never come back if you drink Youngs!
Thank you for your concern. :-) I love London, though, so I think I'll
come back no matter what I drink...

And I'll remember the name Pillars of Hercules, I was at another pub in
Greek Street the last time I was in London (a few weeks back) so I'm
sure I'll find it.
Steven Pampling
2006-03-21 07:57:53 UTC
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Post by Thomas Hansen
I love London, though, so I think I'll
come back no matter what I drink...
Nice to see you looking for decent beers, but "I love London"?

Does insanity run in the family?
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Thomas Hansen
2006-03-21 14:31:09 UTC
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Post by Steven Pampling
Nice to see you looking for decent beers, but "I love London"?
Does insanity run in the family?
It might, I think my sister has it too...
Simon Cooper
2006-03-21 19:01:29 UTC
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Post by Steve Pickthall
Post by Thomas Hansen
Thanks for your advice. I've heard of Young's but never tried it, so
I'll see if i can find it when I do get to London.
If you're in London please, please, please don't make Youngs the only beer
you try. Youngs "Ordinary" is not even that - it's dreadfully dull from a
dreadfully complacent brewer.
I presume you're from the north if you can't appreciate the best ordinary
bitter in the land unless it's been shoved through a sparkler...

Young's Ordinary is all I ever need to drink in London. Except Harvey's at
the Priory Arms. And the Archer's Village at the Pride of Spitalfields.
Steve Pickthall
2006-03-21 23:30:53 UTC
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Post by Simon Cooper
I presume you're from the north if you can't appreciate the best ordinary
bitter in the land unless it's been shoved through a sparkler...
Young's Ordinary is all I ever need to drink in London. Except Harvey's at
the Priory Arms. And the Archer's Village at the Pride of Spitalfields.
Who mentioned sparklers?

As it happens I am from the north but lived 3 miles from the Youngs 'brewery'
for 10 years.

You need to get out a bit more and widen your palate.
Brett...
2006-03-22 17:40:36 UTC
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Post by Steve Pickthall
You need to get out a bit more and widen your palate.
Wonder at the cheap, abuse of the beer snob!
My palate is better than your palate.
How sad.
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The Submarine Captain
2006-03-22 21:54:10 UTC
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Post by Brett...
Post by Steve Pickthall
You need to get out a bit more and widen your palate.
Wonder at the cheap, abuse of the beer snob!
My palate is better than your palate
Well, Brett, I for one have got such a bit mouth already that I can't
see the point of widening one's palate (surgically ? might cleave it...)
! ;o>
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Simon Cooper
2006-03-23 23:44:25 UTC
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Post by Steve Pickthall
Post by Simon Cooper
I presume you're from the north if you can't appreciate the best ordinary
bitter in the land unless it's been shoved through a sparkler...
Young's Ordinary is all I ever need to drink in London. Except Harvey's at
the Priory Arms. And the Archer's Village at the Pride of Spitalfields.
Who mentioned sparklers?
It was a leading progression from dislike of Youngs, to dislike of southern
beer, to liking sparkler served northern brews. Reasoning out why someone
didn't like Youngs.
Post by Steve Pickthall
As it happens I am from the north but lived 3 miles from the Youngs 'brewery'
for 10 years.
You need to get out a bit more and widen your palate.
I'll agree with the first part of that statement, but not the second. Not
currently resident in the UK and opportunities to get out are a little more
limited now, sadly. My own brew will be ready by the middle of next week to
keep me happy. This non-residency pushes me to stick to the best "British"
styles - ordinary bitters** - when I'm in the country. As to which is best,
it's really rather subjective, but I believe Young's get far fewer negative
statements than most, even if they don't get regular medals at Olympia for
it.

But I've also told a little lie - after my Brother in law's birthday in
January (pubcrawl along Garrett Lane, which basically terminates at the
North end at Young's Brewery), I did see out the rest of my week in town
without going to another Youngs pub. But no bad beer that I recall, we'd
already done a Sam Smith's pub the week before...

**Anywhere in the world can brew OK beer at 4.5%up, as discussed in that
thread a couple of weeks ago.
Steven Pampling
2006-03-24 00:57:46 UTC
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In article <***@comcast.com>, Simon
Cooper
As to which is best, it's really rather subjective, but I believe
Young's get far fewer negative statements than most, even if they don't
get regular medals at Olympia for it.
The festival has moved.
You will find it at Earls Court this August (and onward)

For most people it's one less tube change, if you're coming via a BR route
it's just the next stop along from Olympia (West Brompton)
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Peter
2006-03-15 22:33:46 UTC
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I won;t drink Boddies and I live in the Manchester area! Boddington Bitter
started its decline many years before Twitbreads even appeared on the scene,

Pete
Post by Thomas Hansen
Hi, does anyone have any tips for pubs in London where I can get
Boddington's on tap? A friend and I are going to London for a weekend
and would love to be pointed in the right direction, preferably
somewhere around King's Cross / Soho / Covent Garden.
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